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[Vision AI] misused's HearthRanger Decks - Witchwood Expansion
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WinXP
#245 Posted : Friday, April 20, 2018 11:03:07 PM(UTC)
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Hey @Misused

Are you updating these decks anymore?
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#225 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 1:01:30 AM(UTC)
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jquema1;55867 wrote:
Winrate of both Odd Baku Paladin is at 30% at rank 10.


I'm getting about 40% at rank 10 during off hours for Odd Baku Dude Paladin 1.2
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#253 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:43:58 AM(UTC)

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Anyone have a deck with a higher winrate than odd baku 1.2? if so plz link with config
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#256 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 9:27:26 AM(UTC)
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Trying at night in casual mode (LAS), odd Baku Paladin 1.2.
These are the results:
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#254 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 9:42:16 AM(UTC)

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paco33;55922 wrote:
Anyone have a deck with a higher winrate than odd baku 1.2? if so plz link with config

Yup - you. Make one and share it with folks.

Remember - most decks are posted with the intent of farming daily gold and/or quests. Ranking up on ladder is a bonus when able.
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#246 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:03:19 PM(UTC)

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WinXP;55919 wrote:
Hey @Misused

Are you updating these decks anymore?



No need to update the decks right now because alot of misplays are due to vision AI, not the config. Once vision AI is updated for some new cards and misplays fixed, then we can update configs if needed.

Im using odd pally for gold farming, Right now its 138-18 (88%WR). Good enough for farming gold.

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#257 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 2:40:39 PM(UTC)
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the baku paladin consistently chooses a 1-drop over hero power when left with 2 mana. it grinds my gears.
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#258 Posted : Saturday, April 21, 2018 5:24:24 PM(UTC)

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btw this looks like a good tier 1 deck (murloc pally) .. very similar to previous murloc pally besides only 2 or 3 new cards. Also probably pretty easy for bot to play.

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#247 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 1:45:06 AM(UTC)
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kamil234;55944 wrote:
No need to update the decks right now because alot of misplays are due to vision AI, not the config. Once vision AI is updated for some new cards and misplays fixed, then we can update configs if needed.


If so, then who's updating it?

As so far as I know, JoyAdmin already made the update so that HR can run WitchWood cards.

I haven't seen an A.I updated before either, so it begs the question as to whether it's the AI or config issue.

The configs dictate the logic behind the bot's actions. Subsequently, a deck with more config files would most likely perform better than a deck running the [default] config.

Currently, there are no HR decks that can rank up past rank 7. I was asking if misused would/could update them to make them perform better.

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Scott has left the botting scene, Botwhat is currently on break, and we haven't heard from Ljac since the update.

Spyscouter has made a spiteful Druid deck, and Jason z has made some wild decks.

Currently, misused decks are the best ones. However, compared to the efficiency of other decks in previous expansions, they aren't doing amazing.

My question is: is this it? Is this the peak of this expansion?
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#252 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:29:57 AM(UTC)
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WinXP;55963 wrote:
If so, then who's updating it?

As so far as I know, JoyAdmin already made the update so that HR can run WitchWood cards.

I haven't seen an A.I updated before either, so it begs the question as to whether it's the AI or config issue.

The configs dictate the logic behind the bot's actions. Subsequently, a deck with more config files would most likely perform better than a deck running the [default] config.

Currently, there are no HR decks that can rank up past rank 7. I was asking if misused would/could update them to make them perform better.

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Scott has left the botting scene, Botwhat is currently on break, and we haven't heard from Ljac since the update.

Spyscouter has made a spiteful Druid deck, and Jason z has made some wild decks.

Currently, misused decks are the best ones. However, compared to the efficiency of other decks in previous expansions, they aren't doing amazing.

My question is: is this it? Is this the peak of this expansion?


It's the first 2 weeks of the expansion. Joy's numbers still aren't what they're supposed to be.

As for the more general question: It's not looking great for decks. The bot thrives on super aggro hyper meta decks. So let's discuss the meta:
For references, I will be using HSReplay and DisguisedToast's meta rankings.

According to these sites, the top meta decks are as follows:
- Even Paladin, Murloc Paladin, Spiteful Druid, and Odd Paladin

However, there are some close contenders for top meta decks that are also considered meta:
- Cubelock, Zoolock, Quest Rogue, Odd Rogue, Quest Warrior.

Now that we've established the meta, let's discuss where our deck fits into the meta. Our deck, for this sake, is Odd Dude Paladin. How does Odd Dude Paladin face against these decks?

Even Paladin: Most Paladin v Paladin games are a 50/50
Murloc Paladin: Most Paladin v Paladin games are a 50/50
Odd Paladin: Most Paladin v Paladin games are a 50/50

Good talk. Lets get into the more interesting ones:
- Cubelock: Control Heavy Deck. Paladin gets slaughtered against this.
- Zoolock: Control Heavy Deck again. Slaughted.
- Spiteful Druid: Terrible.
- Rogues: Amazing. Paladin slaughters rogues.
- Warriors: Get fucked kid.

So we only beat Rogues and it's a toss up with Paladins. This deck isn't too good in a control based meta. These decks also get hard for the bot to understand. For example, Cubelock doesn't run well because of the multi-stepped plays you have to take.

It's not the peak of the meta. It's a hard meta to fight in. Lets hope Joy can improve the bot over time.
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#248 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:10:16 AM(UTC)
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WinXP;55963 wrote:
If so, then who's updating it?



The configs dictate the logic behind the bot's actions. Subsequently, a deck with more config files would most likely perform better than a deck running the [default] config.

Currently, there are no HR decks that can rank up past rank 7. I was asking if misused would/could update them to make them perform better.



Not true. You can still hit rank 5 in Wild mode easily, without config files:


Decklist:

http://www.hearthstoneto...paladin-wild-brawliseum/[/quote]

The config files are only necessary if the AI logic isn't good enough on itself, which it will get after updating. People have gotten addicted to configfiles, while many times, half of the rules in it aren't even necessary. Even mulligan is something the bot does really good on itself. Off course it's better to fine tune it, but if a deck doesn't hit a winrate close to 50% without config files, you shouldn't bother making config files for it. Scott was also a firm believer in this.
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TastySpicySausage on 4/23/2018(UTC), hsnos1ter on 5/1/2018(UTC)
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#249 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 9:15:25 AM(UTC)

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Elekid;55965 wrote:
Not true. You can still hit rank 5 in Wild mode easily, without config files:


Decklist:

http://www.hearthstoneto...aladin-wild-brawliseum/

The config files are only necessary if the AI logic isn't good enough on itself, which it will get after updating. People have gotten addicted to configfiles, while many times, half of the rules in it aren't even necessary. Even mulligan is something the bot does really good on itself. Off course it's better to fine tune it, but if a deck doesn't hit a winrate close to 50% without config files, you shouldn't bother making config files for it. Scott was also a firm believer in this.

12 WIN TAVERN BRAWL deck list?
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#250 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 9:47:14 AM(UTC)
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sammy6369;55971 wrote:
12 WIN TAVERN BRAWL deck list?


It's just wild arena as tavern brawl, getting 12 wins with that deck guarantees rank 5 easily
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#259 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 4:09:51 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, it was the best deck for the tavern brawl that week. But basically it was the best wild deck at that moment. And since the Witchwood update wasn't that powerfull it still is one of the most powerfull decks.
Another deck that works without config files just fine is this one:

Also Wild, but who cares? You just wanna get rank 5 for free right?
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#260 Posted : Sunday, April 22, 2018 7:25:46 PM(UTC)

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Elekid;55983 wrote:
Yeah, it was the best deck for the tavern brawl that week. But basically it was the best wild deck at that moment. And since the Witchwood update wasn't that powerfull it still is one of the most powerfull decks.
Another deck that works without config files just fine is this one:

Also Wild, but who cares? You just wanna get rank 5 for free right?


All I have are standard and dont want to waste the dust on wild :( feelsbadman
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#261 Posted : Monday, April 23, 2018 9:19:39 AM(UTC)

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paco33;55986 wrote:
All I have are standard and dont want to waste the dust on wild :( feelsbadman

Then it sounds like time for YOU to come up with a working deck and bot config file set to do it in standard.

Odd Pally works fine for farming gold every day:
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#262 Posted : Tuesday, April 24, 2018 12:16:08 AM(UTC)
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Does anyone has a solution to this:

Has 2 mana, bot casts Lost in jungle instead of using hero power. Pass the turn with 1 mana left.
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#263 Posted : Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:32:35 PM(UTC)
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start at rank 11 and end at rank 15 =(((
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#264 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2018 8:07:19 PM(UTC)
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Cant get the Odd Dude Paladin list past ranked level 20. Running it with your config.
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#265 Posted : Friday, April 27, 2018 2:45:43 AM(UTC)
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On casual for 100g farming the Oddpaladin has a 91% wr.

For my experience for the last year every deck which has about 90%+ wr on casual concede can reach rank 5 in EU.

Can't test it myself, got rank 5 before expansion release.
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